T raises Cholesterol?

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T raises Cholesterol?

Postby ophelia » Mon Sep 28, 2015 8:37 pm

Dh went for a 6 month check up with his urologist. I was thrilled to hear that his numbers finally made it into the 700s ::clap but then flabbergasted that dh told me that his doctor decided to lower his script from 150 mg/week to 100mg/week. Why? Because dh's cholesterol is too high. Huh?

It is 204 which, yes, is on the high side but is essentially within 5 points of where its been over the past five years. It was actually 209 the year before he started T therapy. I wasn't at the appointment but I have a feeling that his doc is just not comfortable with dh's better T numbers or his T dose and is looking for reasons to change it. The main reason dh had his bloodwork done was because his RBC's have been on the high side for the last two years and he needed them monitored. The doc won't recommend blood donation but wants to cut dh's dose instead. He wants to check him again in 6 weeks to see if his cholesterol and RBC numbers are better with the low dose. Is that even reasonable? I looked over dh's labs over the last five years and can see that they haven't changed much. Also, lowering the dose won't do anything about polycythemia right?
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Re: T raises Cholesterol?

Postby mom210 » Tue Sep 29, 2015 6:40 am

I would make sure that I was seeing a dr that was comfortable prescribing T and was familiar with all areas of T replacement.
That is why dh eventually switched from using his GP for T and went to a specialist.
Numbers in the 700+ range are usually necessary for good results with T replacement ( in my opinion).. dh,s levels run in the high 900's and for him.. that is where his sweet spot is.
High cholesterol can be a problem with T replacement... especially if it is elevated to begin with..
Dh takes garlic, and fish oil and has managed his this way.. his was slightly elevated.. the dr ( his GP) originally put him on a statin drug.. but for us, the side effects where offputting so we opted to try the natural way.. with supplements and diet and this has worked for dh .
As far as RBC .. yes, that too usually elevates with T replacement.. but blood donation easily takes care of this and most T specialists know this.
I am not sure why you need dr to okay blood donation.dh just goes an gives?

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Re: T raises Cholesterol?

Postby txtwindad » Tue Sep 29, 2015 6:41 am

Why in the world doesn't he recommend blood donation. That's just crazy talk.

My family physician went on a rant about high T levels being dangerous. I thought he was talking about the over 1000 level a lot of body builders want. No, he was talking about 700 and up. So, I'm thinking there has been some kind of information going around about it. To me 700-800 is perfect.
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Re: T raises Cholesterol?

Postby OldMarriedLady » Tue Sep 29, 2015 8:58 am

DH has had polycythemia at any dose of T he's been on over the past 5 years (and the dosage has changed many times, up and down, depending on test results). He was told to donate blood to alleviate it, and even though the local blood center can't use DH's blood (due to his ulcerative colitis I guess), they still take it from him at no charge. He last gave blood about 2 years ago, and at this last checkup his numbers were back up to where he needs to donate again so it's not something he has to do frequently.

T has had no effect on his cholesterol. He has always had really good cholesterol numbers even before T, and his test results are still great every time. However, he has been taking an Omega-3 supplement daily since day one of starting T therapy, so maybe that has something to do with it.
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Re: T raises Cholesterol?

Postby ophelia » Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:13 am

Dh's cholesterol has not changed since starting his testosterone therapy so I'm confused as to why its a problem now. I will push the omega-3s with dh again. He just cannot be trusted to take any medication or supplement on his own volition. He certainly does not need to consume more garlic. The guy eats it pretty much daily. Sometimes I think I can smell it on his skin. :shock: Not that my husband has BO. :lol: I just have a sensitive nose.
I told dh to just go donate blood. Lowering his dose won't do anything about the surplus of RBCs he already has.

This is doctor number three we are on. I hate to lose a doctor who was at least testing dh for potential problems unlike his last doctor. I will be going with dh to his follow up to discuss with the doctor how lowering his dose will not be acceptable.
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Re: T raises Cholesterol?

Postby OldMarriedLady » Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:48 am

You know, I think some people (like me) are just going to have high cholesterol despite efforts to alleviate it. My cholesterol has been high all my life. Over the years my diet has changed for the good and for the bad, my weight has gone up and down, my level of exercise has fluctuated greatly, and yet I always have high cholesterol (despite being on simvastatin for the past 5 years - it apparently does nothing for me). :? I should probably start taking the Omega-3 stuff that DH does and see if that helps.

I hear you on the resistance to taking meds. DH has a fit any time another med is added to his list - he had a fit originally about the Omega-3 because they're these huge liquid filled capsules and he has to take 4 a day. They are also supposed to be "burpless" and lemon-flavored, but he says he still gets lemony fish burps now and then. His latest problem is uncontrollable high blood pressure, so two new BP meds have been added to the pile of bottles on the kitchen counter, and I had to hear all the whining about that. :roll: And yes, I have to ask/remind DH about all of his meds. He will even forget to take his T shots from time to time.
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Re: T raises Cholesterol?

Postby ophelia » Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:53 am

Yep. Dh never remembers his shot. Sometimes I remember a couple days late and then I feel bad. It's not supposed to be my responsibility, but it is. He can't help it though. We both struggle with trying to stay on top of things.
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Re: T raises Cholesterol?

Postby OldMarriedLady » Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:58 am

I'm starting to worry about my having to be the "designated remember-er" in our marriage, because I've noticed that as I age, the "brain farts" are coming with more regularity. :lol: Give it a few more years and he and I will both be suffering from "CRS" big time. ::lol
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Re: T raises Cholesterol?

Postby mom210 » Tue Sep 29, 2015 10:57 am

Dh and I both work at remembering his T shots..and with both of us trying we usually do okay..dh has also put a reoccurring alarm on his phone for reminders

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Postby Txtwinmom » Tue Sep 29, 2015 11:57 am

I have found that my "CRS" is severe and I use my calendar/reminders for everything! I have a med that I am supposed to take at 3 in the afternoon. The only reason I ever remember to take that one is a reminder on my phone and iPad. :D
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Re: T raises Cholesterol?

Postby Nvr2Late » Wed Sep 30, 2015 2:34 pm

Please remember that "high cholesterol" is for the most part a pharmaceutically-designed "disease" designed to bring most of the population with "lab ranges" that will mandate prescribing a very profitable drug...statins of whatever variety your doctor happens to like the best. This is an easy one to google and get good information about.

And it's also more complicated than just a number. Cholesterol has two elements: LDL and HDL and if your LDL is composed of more "light and fluffy" particles you have almost zero risk of heart disease. If it's "small and dense" your risk is higher. And the more HDL you have, the more protected you are. Remember too that your brain is mostly cholesterol and cholesterol is the building blocks of all hormones. Triglycerides are more problematic than cholesterol, and inflammation is at the heart (pun intended) of cardiovascular disease.

From what I know, lowering your husband's T levels may do him way more harm than good. http://www.livescience.com/972-men-testosterone-die.html

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Re: T raises Cholesterol?

Postby OldMarriedLady » Wed Sep 30, 2015 2:43 pm

Txtwinmom wrote:I use my calendar/reminders for everything!

Me too, but now I find myself forgetting to set the reminders in the first place. :? I've started scribbling things on scraps of paper and sticking them in my pants pocket to remind me to put them on the computer/phone calendar later. And of course, the scraps of paper often end up down the laundry chute still in the pants. :hb:
Nvr2Late wrote:OML: I am laughing because the saying around our house is "How Will We Know?" meaning how will we know when we get Alzheimers? We won't because nothing will have changed! :lol:

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Postby regulardude » Tue Oct 20, 2015 1:06 pm

It worth doing a google search on 'cholesterol raises testosterone' to get some more info on this. It becomes very controversial once someone is on meds though as there's always a risk of heart attacks etc. Essentially, a lot of people believe cholesterol is needed for testosterone. In fact, some believe that higher cholesterol is correlated to longer life span. I'm not 100% convinced by that - but I do think cholesterol has its place. It is at the top of the chain when it comes to steroid hormones ( refer http://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/endocrine/basics/steroidogenesis.gif)

I do think other factors like LDL and triglycerides are much more important than T itself. I was diagnosed with slightly high cholesterol, but it did'nt bug me too much as most other markers seemed ok. That said, I just went for a stock standard blood test with no hormone panel, so I'm basing this on how active the lil fella is...

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Re: T raises Cholesterol?

Postby ophelia » Sat Nov 28, 2015 12:34 am

I thought I would give a quick update.
Dh donated blood and then had his labs done again about 10 days later. His RBC's are much lower. (whew) His cholesterol is about three points lower. (whatever) and his T is now above 1000. :shock: What! That seems like a big jump. Is it possible that the blood donation artificially elevated his T numbers on paper? Is the weekend getaway we had right before his blood draw to blame? I'm a little concerned. He was in the mid 700's just four weeks before those labs were drawn. It took him a year and a half to jump the last 100 points. Should he consider reducing his T dose down from 150mg per week?
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Re: T raises Cholesterol?

Postby txtwindad » Sat Nov 28, 2015 8:53 am

Above 1000 is not alarming. There is a good bit of variability based on when he received his shot.
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