I posted this on the Boron thread. But wantes to re-post it here to possibly get some more feedback from folks more familiar with T levels and T-HRT
Latest two T levels (listed below)
Well I gave a shot to two different supplements. One to help lower cholesterol (Berberine). Dismal failure. Didn’t change a thing. If anything ended up slightly WORSE but mostly within the margin of testing variability. This was fairly expensive at nearly $50/mo so bye-bye Berberine!
Second supplement was Boron to help raise my T levels and lower estrogen. Did three months. 1st month was at 9 mg/day the remaining two months at 6 mg/day. It has also proven to be a total and dismal failure. In fact, ALL of my numbers are worse. Far worse to the effect that it is my lowest level recorded for Total T and highest levels of estradiol since I began testing and keeping track of the various blood levels starting in July 2014.
Also for reference, I just turned 51 in September. I am 5’-7” and 165 lbs and I regularly exercise by swimming three times a week (swimming over 1 mile per session), PLUS I also go to Tea Kwon Do twice a week. My BMI calculates to 25.8 which is considered slightly “overweight” with the cut-off between normal and overweight BMI=25. Despite all the exercise and workouts, I do I do NOT lose any weight. However, if I take a break from working out, I quickly gain weight. I do take Thyroid replacement with a very small dose.
I will give the last two blood labs. The percentage is the percent of the “normal” range.
Blood test on 10/3/17 Just this last fall:
Total Testosterone = 461 (220-813) 59.9%
Free T= 9.33 (5.6-21) 24.2%
SHBG= 34.6 (10-57) 52.3%
Bio-avail= 219 (131-682) 16.0%
DHEA = 256 (62-1,636) 12.4%
Estradiol = 37 (0-56) 66.1%
Blood test date: 2/14/18 – Just yesterday after 3 months of Boron
Total = 370 (220-813) 43.4%
Free T= 7.74 (5.6-21) 13.9%
SHBG= N/A %
Bio-avail= 181 (131-682) 9.1%
DHEA =231 (62-1,636) 10.8%
Estradiol = 41 (0-56) 73.2%
So, the use of Boron for three months, results showed my Total T to be LOWERED by nearly 100 points, and my Free T to be LOWERED by 2 points, while my Estradiol INCREASED by 4 points! EVERY number is worse!
I won’t necessarily say that Boron is the complete reason for the decline. But really NOTHING else has changed in my diet or lifestyle over the last 3 months. So, it was either a biologic hormonal decline that kicked in coincidentally, or it was in fact the Boron, or some combination of the two.
This clinical response at least in this sample of one, would indicate complete failure to do what the Boron article stated it would do. The article stated that for men it would RAISE the Testosterone levels and LOWER estrogen. When in fact, in my specific case, it has seemed to have the EXACT OPPOSITE effect.
I am very discouraged. I could eat a better diet and go completely organic etc. But I HIGHLY DOUBT that this would have any chance to raise T levels by the 200+ points I would need to get back to what would be a reasonably healthy T level for a 51-year old man. I would “only” need to lose no more than 10 lbs to get me into the “normal” BMI rage. And while it would certainly be a good thing, and reduced body fat may help with T levels, I doubt it would result in much of anything close to 100’s of points!
I just do not understand why so many men like myself are having low T issues when they have really no other health concerns/issues. There MUST be a cause for an entire population of the USA and the “west” in general to have a population wide decline in T levels of men compared to say 50 years ago! Sure, some percentage of the population may have issues with T levels due to genetics. But genetics have been with us thousands/millions of years. I highly doubt that “all of a sudden” in the last 50 years genetics is the cause of this population wide decrease in T levels of men. There MUST be some other environmental or cultural cause.
Would it be a good idea for me to take DIM? Or is my only via le options to either do nothing or jump to at least weekly injections?