Erection Challenges?: Try THIS!!! (L-Citrulline)

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Postby MyWifesMan » Thu Jan 16, 2014 7:30 pm

Hoosier's linked info had some info that begs a few questions, as some of it may be WRONG:

"The lower end of dosing appears to be one gram (1,000mg) of citrulline taken thrice a day with meals, totaling 3,000mg at the end of the day. This appears to be somewhat effective for promoting circulatory health and alleviating erectile dysfunction (possible ED associated with high blood pressure).

"For ergogenic (performance enhancing) purposes, a dose in the range of 6,000-8,000mg is taken acutely about an hour before exercise."


1: Surprising that they would think the 1,000 mg x 3 per day would be the LOWER end of dosing.

2. They say to take it WITH meals - and yet my "Now Foods" L-Citrulline bottle's label clearly says to take BETWEEN meals - so both recommendations can't be right. Anecdotally, I've gotten great results taking it BETWEEN meals. Another here had been taking it WITH food and only noticed it working after switching over to BETWEEN meals. I'd think the between meals would be correct?

3. They link L-Citrulline's ED solving properties to those with high blood pressure. I can tell you I have never had high blood pressure - and it works for me. And WebMD (http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-and-supplements/l-citrulline-uses-and-risks) says, "You should also be careful when taking L-citrulline if you take ANY type of blood pressure medicine. So that would seem contradictory?

4. Wow, I'd not be too concerned about taking 3,000 mgs. per day if it is accurate that a "dose in the range of 6,000-8,000mg" is safe for helping with peak performance. And yet WebMD also states: "However, optimal doses of L-citrulline have not been set for any condition. Quality and active ingredients in supplements may vary widely. This makes it hard to set a standard dose."

So, it appears safe for healthy people not on certain meds or specific conditions - even at pretty high doses.

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Re: Erection Challenges?: Try THIS!!!

Postby LovingMyLady » Fri Jan 17, 2014 7:36 am

Hoosier52 wrote:Here is another study on L-Citrulline - Quite Interesting

http://examine.com/supplements/Citrulline/

The article above addresses the use of L-Citrulline for a significant and varied number of health issues (with different doses accordingly), but it's interesting to note that the ONLY scientific references and footnotes specifically addressing ED all refer back to the original 2010 University of Foggia study that I mentioned earlier. I assure you THAT article published by the Italian researchers ONLY mentions them using "1.5g/d in 2 doses."

I notice a few other pieces of information presented on the example.com page that conflict with their own cited evidence. It makes me question the overall accuracy of their web page, but in spite of this, it is still thought-provoking and interesting. ::tnx for sharing it!
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Postby PS56 » Fri Jan 17, 2014 12:46 pm

I'm wondering whether a side effect of L-Cit that I am experiencing is abdominal cramping and diarrhea. I had been taking it about 10 days, with no real side effects other than the one cold sore. Then I heard that my father was in the ICU, and then he shortly thereafter passed away, and then I had to fly to Georgia to be with family. I started having stomach cramps and diarrhea the day I heard the news about my dad, and I attributed the cramps and all to just the stress of the situation, having to fly across the country (I'm a bit of an anxious flyer), and dealing with other arrangements.

Shortly after I got the news and had to deal with my father's passing, I stopped the L-Cit because a lot was going on and I was traveling, etc. I didn't feel that supplements were important at that point. When I got to Georgia, the cramping, etc. started to decrease. Earlier today, however, I started the L-Cit again and with a few hours, had another slight episode of cramping and diarrhea. I suppose it could still be stress, but I am feeling pretty good mentally and stress-wise, and so I am going to stop the L-Cit for a few days and see what happens. I am strongly suspecting that it is causing me the GI problems I am experiencing.

I shall report back after a couple of days.

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Re: Erection Challenges?: Try THIS!!!

Postby gymaddict » Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:30 pm

HIgh Doses of L Arginine (anything above 6 grams daily) will give me diahrea. So I can only conjecture that higher doses of L Citrulline will produce similar results in you. Several guys I know report diahrea effect with higher doses of L Arginine.

I intend to order L Citrulline and will report any reactions when I get on the stuff. I intend to take higher doses daily. At my age, supplements do very little for me. Younger guys in the gym report tremendous results with L Arginine. Some saying it makes them horny as goats. Youth is wasted on the young.

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Postby MyWifesMan » Fri Jan 17, 2014 5:26 pm

PS, drink LOTS of water with the L-Citrulline. Also, sometimes when you begin or start a new supplement, you can have an immune reaction - which can be similar to what you describe. Your body sometimes needs to get used to something new - or, similarly, it can have a withdrawal symptom - doesn't have to be a narcotic to do so. Also, take a good probiotic (look at amazon reviews) or daily yogurt with active cultures. These will also help with any stomach problems, which will probably go away. But your week has been anything but normal - stress, eating on the go, travel, FLYING. Whenever I get on a plane, I always imagine germs, viruses, and flu being flown in internationally - all lovingly shared via the circulating fans and vents on the aircraft. :shock: I ESPECIALLY dislike flying in winter.

Again, so sorry for your loss.

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Postby ophelia » Fri Jan 17, 2014 7:40 pm

Grief can do it too.
I'm also sorry for your loss PS56.
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Postby ledgemoor » Sat Jan 18, 2014 8:18 am

Here is a good inexpensive Pro-Biotic. It has all of the critters mentioned in a recent Bicycling article. The stuff works.
http://www.swansonvitamins.com/swanson- ... veg-drcaps
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Postby ophelia » Sat Jan 18, 2014 12:20 pm

Looks good. I spend $30 a month on a certain brand but I'm sure that it's not that much better.
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Postby PS56 » Sat Jan 18, 2014 12:34 pm

I've been taking a probiotic for a couple of years now. I started with the amateur stuff, but then I went pro pretty quickly. :mrgreen:

Anyway, since stopping the L-Cit midday yesterday, I'm feeling much better GI wise. I'm going to stay off it until I return home and things get back to normal. Then I might try it again under more typical conditions, and I'll make sure to drink more water and get my usual exercise, which I think also helps.

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Postby MyWifesMan » Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:39 pm

PS, what probiotic do you take? So much variation in price, etc. I used to believe that only the refrigerated kinds were effective at putting back healthy bacteria - but, apparently, not.

I need to get on the best I can for the money.

Thanks.

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Postby PS56 » Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:45 pm

The czar of vitamins in our house (my DW) says she buys different brands or probiotics from time to time. Recently, she bought TruNature from Costco, which was on sale for around $12 for a box of 100 capsules.

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Postby MyWifesMan » Wed Jan 22, 2014 6:19 pm

Thanks, PS.

Some will swear that certain probiotic brands are vastly superior to others. The marketing always revolves around how many billion organisms per unit. Who knows?

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Postby C_Brown » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:05 am

Not getting an immune reaction any longer. Might be from either using a different brand, or from taking 1 capsule 4 times a day rather than 2, twice a day. I'll try stopping the cialis and hope it all works out.
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Postby Dale » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:20 am

I tried this, and it did seem to be helping even just after a couple days (2 500mg in the morning and 1 at night for a total of 1500 mg). Morning semi-erections returned and it was easier to get an erection.

However, after about the second day, I noticed a dull pain in my right upper abdomen which would come and go. It was somewhat reminicent of the intense pain I had after having a reaction to a statin drug last year. Turned out my liver enzymes had gone crazy and it resulted in crippling pain all through my abdomen that would last for 4-5 hours with no way to get relief. Once I got off the statin it went away. But the L-Cit seemed like it was creating a similar (although MUCH less) reaction. I stopped it once and the reaction went away, then restarted it a few days later and once again it began. So I've stopped it again.

I'm a little gun-shy to try it again. I don't know if drinking more water when I take the pills would help or not. Given my history of heart disease (I had a 5 artery bypass two years ago), I don't want to do anything that will send me into a tailspin.

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Postby MyWifesMan » Thu Jan 23, 2014 1:50 pm

Dale, perhaps consider restarting but with a lower dosage - maybe one pill in a.m. and p.m. - and this time drink plenty of water with each dosage. Sometimes introducing something new into your system gives a immune response (which can cause various symptoms). If the restart goes well, you could then consider increasing your dosage. So, start small, copiously hydrate!

But I understand your prudent caution - especially after all you've been through.

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Postby texashubby » Fri Jan 24, 2014 5:14 pm

Dale wrote:I'm a little gun-shy to try it again....
Dale


Wise choice.

In addition to statin drugs and acetaminophen some supplements have been known to cause liver dysfunctions.

Suggest the websites:
http://livertox.nih.gov/Phenotypes_fail.html
http://www.merckmanuals.com/professiona ... drugs.html

Drug-induced liver injury aka DILI.

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Postby ledgemoor » Thu Jan 30, 2014 5:30 am

An update on when to take L-Citrulline:

Taking it between meals twice a day was difficult for me. I need to take T3 (thyroid) basically between meals, because calcium interferes with absorption, and the L-Citrulline capsule contains calcium carbonate. So I have been taking 1 dose daily of 3g of L-Citrulline early in the morning. I have been doing this for 2 weeks now, and have noticed no difference from 2 1.5g doses daily -- it is still working great.

It makes sense. I figured if it takes a week to kick in, it isn't real critical that it be taken often.
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Postby LovingMyLady » Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:59 pm

I've been on 3g/day L-Citrulline for over 4 weeks now, and can't say that I've noticed much (any?) difference. However, I stumbled across something (referenced from the E.D. article at Wikipedia, of all places!) that was very interesting to me because it may be a contributing factor to my particular E.D. issues. A summary of the referenced health article is, "the regular use of nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) is associated with higher odds of erectile dysfunction, a cross-sectional study showed."
http://www.medpagetoday.com/Urology/ErectileDysfunction/25204

I've been taking a couple of 500 mg tabs of Naproxen (an NSAID) every day for back pain for quite a long time now. After reading that article on Monday, I decided to experiment by stopping the Naproxen but continuing with the L-Citrulline for awhile to see what happened. 36 hours later, I had an opportunity to do some "testing" with my DW, and I must say, the equipment was much more operable than it's been. It was fairly rigid straight away, slowly lost some ground after some nice touching by DW (could have simply been that I was tired and was a mental issue), but firmed up again and stayed that way for PIV all the way to completion. We were both quite happy with that. :-) We haven't had another opportunity for more "research," but I'm looking forward to seeing if the results can be repeated, or even improved upon!

As for the back pain, it's tolerable right now, but I need to make certain that I do regular stretching exercises to keep the muscles from becoming inflamed. Once it gets to that point, no amount of massaging, stretching, exercising or chiropractic sessions seem to take it away again. If the NSAIDs are causing me problems for E.D. and I end up needing to take something for long term pain relief, I'll have to explore my options.
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Postby Hiswifeagain » Thu Jan 30, 2014 3:31 pm

There are a lot of good reasons to get off NSAIDS on a daily basis. They are hard on your kidneys and GI tract and keeps your blood from clotting as effectively.

Maybe massage and exercise would be better?
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Postby brideshubby » Mon Feb 10, 2014 6:21 am

I started taking 2 750mg twice a day last friday morning. I haven't noticed anything as of yet. I was wondering if L-Citrulline will not work if you are low T? I am going to keep taking the L-Citrulline and hoping it will start working. I am trying to get to the doc here soon to see about all my numbers(T levels, chlorestorl, tri-glicerides, etc.) I want to see where I am at then again in a few months, see how things are going.


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