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Re: Hormone Replacement Therapy for men- Pro or Con?

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Re: Hormone Replacement Therapy for men- Pro or Con?

Postby thebigfish » Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:50 am

Thanks Ulysses61,
That was great information. So then, those Extreme Cage Fighters that I watch on TV are probably less likely to have problems later on, right? :lol:
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Re: Hormone Replacement Therapy for men- Pro or Con?

Postby mom210 » Wed Sep 09, 2009 12:01 pm

Just a note for those without insurance..or whose insurance will not cover TRT..you can get a prescription for a compounded gel for less than $50 a month to treat this.

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Re: Hormone Replacement Therapy for men- Pro or Con?

Postby hubbyforher » Wed Sep 09, 2009 12:20 pm

I'm on HRT, and have been for over two years now. I'm in my early 40s.

I noticed more fatigue, and a negative impact on my attitude. Was beginning to see the glass half empty instead of half full. Got blood work done, and it came back relatively low. (I think total test was in the high 300s, but free test was low). Got a script for test injections, 1X/week, and it's been much better ever since.

I self administer, and it's a breeze. Many men use the transdermal (TD) stuff, and they indicate they are pleased with the results. Most using TD apply daily.

Some docs have no problem providing men a script, but many are hormone ignorant, and feel that reduced test is just a natural part of life. Funny how they don't hold that same attitude toward people with insulin problems. Go figure.....

Some men with excellent insurance or those with alot of $$$ also take GH (growth hormone) at about 1IU/day. They say it's the fountain of youth, and I tend to believe it. Sadly, since pro athletes are abusing it, and violating rules, it's been vilified as something dangerous (athletes take 10X or more). A famous book on the positives of GH is called, "Grow Young with HGH." There are groups of doctors now researching in the anti-aging area. I'm not afraid to die, but I would like to have a nice quality of life while I'm alive.
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Re: Hormone Replacement Therapy for men- Pro or Con?

Postby forever young » Wed Sep 09, 2009 1:46 pm

hubbyforher...how do you self admin? i've been taking shots for a year now, every 10 days, and my wife injects in the glute. for those interested, the major improvement has been in my outlook in life. during the period of time of adjusting to the correct amount, when it was too high...teenage sexual desire..way too much for me. too little....didn't feel as well overall. i'm going in tomorrow for my annual check up and see how things are going, numbers-wise, but i'd say that they're ok, maybe a tad low, but not sure. i cycle alot and fatigue may be just from that and not a low dose.

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Re: Hormone Replacement Therapy for men- Pro or Con?

Postby hubbyforher » Wed Sep 09, 2009 2:00 pm

forever young wrote:hubbyforher...how do you self admin? i've been taking shots for a year now, every 10 days, and my wife injects in the glute. for those interested, the major improvement has been in my outlook in life. during the period of time of adjusting to the correct amount, when it was too high...teenage sexual desire..way too much for me. too little....didn't feel as well overall. i'm going in tomorrow for my annual check up and see how things are going, numbers-wise, but i'd say that they're ok, maybe a tad low, but not sure. i cycle alot and fatigue may be just from that and not a low dose.


I also inject into the glute, and rotate from one cheek to the other so each injection site gets hit every two weeks. I use a 23 gauge needle (1" length) to withdraw the oil from the 10ml vial, and then I switch out the 23 gauge needle with a 25 gauge needle (1.5" length) to inject. I make sure that no air is in the syringe, and push on the end slightly so that a small amount of oil dribbles down the needle (lube the needle, so to speak).

I first wipe the injection area with an alcohol pad to make sure the injection area is clean. I hit the top outer quadrant of the glute. I'm posting a link to a site that shows where is the best place to inject the glute. It's a pic of a man from behind, but it's a cartoon pic of just the musculature, and is not pornographic. Just want to let people know.

http://www.howtodoinjections.com/IM/glutes.html

The important thing to remember is to aspirate. That is, after you've inserted the needle, you pull back on the plunger just a little bit, to ensure you don't draw any blood into your syringe. This tells you that the end of the needle is not in a vein. This prevents you from injecting into your bloodstream, and ensures that you're properly injecting into your muscle tissue. If you do have blood in the syringe, simply pull back, and repeat. It's nothing to freak out about. Also, if you remove the needle, and you're bleeding slightly, it only means that you nicked a vein, while inserting. It's also nothing to freak out about. Simply wipe with the alcohol pad.

You can inject in many places. The website above shows how to inject into your pecs, bis, tris, delts, quads, etc. There is no particular place that's better than another. Rather, the glutes are popular because there's a lot of "meat" there. Hope this helps.
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Re: Hormone Replacement Therapy for men- Pro or Con?

Postby forever young » Thu Sep 10, 2009 7:54 am

thank you

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Re: Hormone Replacement Therapy for men- Pro or Con?

Postby newbeliever » Fri Sep 11, 2009 5:42 am

For you guys who use the injection TRT, do you experience much in the way of peaks and troughs?

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Re: Hormone Replacement Therapy for men- Pro or Con?

Postby mom210 » Fri Sep 11, 2009 6:25 am

newbeliever wrote:For you guys who use the injection TRT, do you experience much in the way of peaks and troughs?


My dh does not use injections,yet..he is on the gel..but he has spoken at length to his dr about this..according to dh's dr. he prefers the gles because they mimic the natural rythm a lot easier and better..but if and whn dh might need to go on shots his dr has said that the best way to AVOID the highs and lows are to inject either 100mg of T once a week..or 43 mg every 3 days.

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Re: Hormone Replacement Therapy for men- Pro or Con?

Postby awakenedin2009 » Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:09 am

mom210 wrote:
newbeliever wrote:For you guys who use the injection TRT, do you experience much in the way of peaks and troughs?


My dh does not use injections,yet..he is on the gel..but he has spoken at length to his dr about this..according to dh's dr. he prefers the gles because they mimic the natural rythm a lot easier and better..but if and whn dh might need to go on shots his dr has said that the best way to AVOID the highs and lows are to inject either 100mg of T once a week..or 43 mg every 3 days.


Excuse my ignorance, but where is the gel applied?
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Re: Hormone Replacement Therapy for men- Pro or Con?

Postby hubbyforher » Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:40 am

newbeliever wrote:For you guys who use the injection TRT, do you experience much in the way of peaks and troughs?


I don't feel peaks and troughs. A leading TRT doc (Crisler) advocates 1 injection per week, and then 1-2 HCG injections per week to keep test levels stable. It looks like this: If you inject test each Saturday, then the following Thursday and Friday are days in which its been 5-6 days since your last injection, and thus the time where you are most apt to feel a trough. He recommends an injection of HCG (250IUs) on each of Thursday and Friday to avoid feeling any difference.

HCG looks like LH (leutinizing hormone) in the body, and tells your testes to manufacture your own testosterone. This causes the slight boost in test levels on days 5 and 6 after your last injection. HCG is injected sub-qutanteously, as opposed to IM (intra muscularly). You simply pinch skin (e.g., at your abs), an inject with an insulin syringe into the skin. You can barely feel it, with a 29g or 30g insulin needle.

HCG is also helpful, IMO, in that your testes continue working even though you are taking exogenous test. This prevents your testicles from shrinking. While that may not be a big deal for some, it may be for others.
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Re: Hormone Replacement Therapy for men- Pro or Con?

Postby Ulysses61 » Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:41 am

When there is no hair, preferably (the hair impedes the absorption). Preferred areas to apply the gel are upper arms, upper back, the flanks and the hamstring areas.

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Re: Hormone Replacement Therapy for men- Pro or Con?

Postby awakenedin2009 » Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:52 am

Ulysses61 wrote:When there is no hair, preferably (the hair impedes the absorption). Preferred areas to apply the gel are upper arms, upper back, the flanks and the hamstring areas.


Thank Ulysses61.
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Re: Hormone Replacement Therapy for men- Pro or Con?

Postby newbeliever » Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:29 am

Thank you, hubbyforher. You are such a wealth of knowledge. I appreciate how open you are about this and willing to share your experience.

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Re: Hormone Replacement Therapy for men- Pro or Con?

Postby mom210 » Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:40 pm

Ulysses61 wrote:When there is no hair, preferably (the hair impedes the absorption). Preferred areas to apply the gel are upper arms, upper back, the flanks and the hamstring areas.

For androgel , perhaps..
but Testim is best absorbed on the shoulders and upper arms.

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Re: Hormone Replacement Therapy for men- Pro or Con?

Postby Ulysses61 » Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:43 pm

Oh yes, sorry. I just (erroneously) assumed they meant Testim. Thanks for the necessary correction. :wink:

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Re: Hormone Replacement Therapy for men- Pro or Con?

Postby mom210 » Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:45 pm

no problem...it just seems so weird to me that you can put androgel in places where they don't recommend Testim..such as the abdomen...it just seems odd..since they are so similar.

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Postby Dale » Sun Sep 13, 2009 7:59 pm

Well, I went to the doctor and pushed him to give me a trial of Androgel -- even though he said my testosterone levels were normal (at like 350, but I sure didn't feel normal at all!!). And I just have to say....

This stuff is AMAZING!

About a half hour after applying the first dose, I felt like I had more energy than I have had in many years. Yesterday and today, I have felt more alive and in control of my moods than I can't remember when! I am getting stuff done (including projects that I would still be normally putting off), and I'm handling things at my church in a timely way instead of procrastinating because I just didn't want to face them.

It feels to me like a natural energy boost that doesn't wear off. But it's not like a sugar buzz or a caffeine high at all. It's the kind that gives you motivation and drive to do constructive things without getting tired. And I don't know if it's related to the Androgel, but I spent three hours in the hot sun yesterday working on a Habitat For Humanity home (without a hat on) and my bald head was not even pink today! Normally, I would have been scorched!

And the sexual effects? Whoa, nelly!!!! :D :D ::xx ::xx

In short, I feel like a man again, instead of a walking zombie that's too tired to even get up in the morning!

If this keeps up, I'm staying on this stuff until Jesus calls me home, and He better watch out when I get there, 'cause I might just be takin' over construction on my mansion! :lol:

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Re: Hormone Replacement Therapy for men- Pro or Con?

Postby mom210 » Sun Sep 13, 2009 8:40 pm

That is awesome Dale! i am glad that you are really feeling the benefits of the androgel

I don;'t care what your dr thought..levels of 350 are not normal for a 47 yr old man..
here is a link that shows you the average levels of T for a man at different ages...
http://www.mens-hormonal-health.com/nor ... evels.html

"average" for your age would be around 600.

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Re: Hormone Replacement Therapy for men- Pro or Con?

Postby hubbyforher » Mon Sep 14, 2009 5:51 am

Dale wrote:Well, I went to the doctor and pushed him to give me a trial of Androgel -- even though he said my testosterone levels were normal (at like 350, but I sure didn't feel normal at all!!). And I just have to say....

This stuff is AMAZING!

About a half hour after applying the first dose, I felt like I had more energy than I have had in many years. Yesterday and today, I have felt more alive and in control of my moods than I can't remember when! I am getting stuff done (including projects that I would still be normally putting off), and I'm handling things at my church in a timely way instead of procrastinating because I just didn't want to face them.

It feels to me like a natural energy boost that doesn't wear off. But it's not like a sugar buzz or a caffeine high at all. It's the kind that gives you motivation and drive to do constructive things without getting tired. And I don't know if it's related to the Androgel, but I spent three hours in the hot sun yesterday working on a Habitat For Humanity home (without a hat on) and my bald head was not even pink today! Normally, I would have been scorched!

And the sexual effects? Whoa, nelly!!!! :D :D ::xx ::xx

In short, I feel like a man again, instead of a walking zombie that's too tired to even get up in the morning!

If this keeps up, I'm staying on this stuff until Jesus calls me home, and He better watch out when I get there, 'cause I might just be takin' over construction on my mansion! :lol:

Dale


I love to hear this!!! Congratulations on the very quick response. It's uncommon for people to feel positive effects so quickly.

Let me warn you, however, that you may begin to feel less spry in the next week or so. What happened your first week is that the exogenous test you added with the TD supplemented your natural test production so your total test was: T = Testim + body production. Now your total T is likely higher than your internal body max threshold, so your body sees the high T in your bloodstream, and tells your body you don't need to produce any more test naturally. So T = Testim, as your "body production" levels go toward zero. When this occurs, most docs will up the dose fo the Testim (or Androgel, or whatever), so that your levels are high enough for you to feel like you're in the "sweet spot."

Good luck!!
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